Curse

Lishy · Mar 23, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

We all know how cool Shiro's Blades are.We all also know that it is the only dagger skin that you can SEE for that mater.But there is just one problem:Its vampiric and the mods aren't good for PvE.Who doesn't love to take dual katanas and rampage everything?But then again, who here wants a crappy -1 hp degen to something already squishy?It was okay for usage of vampiric weapons on a sin prior to the nerf of mystic regeneration, but now sins struggle all the time.I don't want to hear "Oh, just switch weapons" because I think an alter net of the weapon should be made.We worked to beat factions on an assassin.We could at least get a decent weapon for an assassin other than a small little dagger that you barely notice.
Anyone with me on this?

jonnieboi05 · Mar 23, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

lol are you kidding? vamp and zealous are the best things you could ever run on a 'sin. ._. go do some pvp (-ahem- i do NOT mean AB. i do NOT count AB 'real' pvp) and my statement will further prove it'self even more. vamp is definately win no matter what you may think right now. dedicated high-end pvp will change your mind of almost everyhting you know about GW and what you think IS and is NOT effective as a skill.

~LeNa~

Malice Black · Mar 23, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

LOL!

You want 20/20 sundering and +30hp I'm guessing?

Go learn to play.

Lishy · Mar 23, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

LOL!

You want 20/20 sundering and +30hp I'm guessing?

Go learn to play.

Nah I prefer Zealous,15%^, and armor+5 for Sin

Theres just so much more energy management!
Once you think about it, +30hp doesn't make a big difference sometimes unless altogether with other mods you have a significant hp boost.

Kanyatta · Mar 23, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

lol are you kidding? vamp and zealous are the best things you could ever run on a 'sin. ._.

What I was going to say.

Skyy High · Mar 23, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Vamp ftw, and the difference between +30HP and +5AR is so miniscule most of the time that you shouldn't even worry about it. Bottom line, you shouldn't be getting hit much anyway, and the 5 armor won't help you much if you're being targetted; at least +30 hp will help keep you from being an aggro magnet as often.

Bottom line: the stats on those daggers are about as good as it gets.

miskav · Mar 23, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Shiro's daggers are about as good as daggers come for PvE and PvP, If there would be a zealous pair aswell, then those 2 together would take the cake on my 'sin.

Marverick · Mar 23, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Actually, he's sort of right: Zealous is better for PvE. More energy will allow you to pump out more Moebius/DB's, which will add out to more damage than the +3 per hit on Vamp. Critical Strikes alone isn't that good energy management once you get to level 30 enemies and stuff in HM.

Vamp is better for spiking in PvP.

Lishy · Mar 23, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Vamp is better for spiking in PvP.

Agreed

But I can also imagine vamp for farming and such.I remember soloing Shiro and I was swapping between zealous and vamp.

But about people insisting that vamp is "ubar 1337 z0mg use em, I R weapon mod nazi!", are you guys saying you don't want another version of Shiro's Daggers without a vamp effect??I am in no way requesting to take away the vamp effect.I am requesting for an alter net version of Shiro's Blades.

Lest121 · Mar 23, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

LOL!

You want 20/20 sundering and +30hp I'm guessing?

Go learn to play.

Was that Necessary? this is why I dislike PvPers or any type of Elitists attitude in this game.

Captain Miken · Mar 23, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja

Was that Necessary? this is why I dislike PvPers or any type of Elitists attitude in this game.

cause you bad

Lishy · Mar 23, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

>___________>
I can immediately tell that this is going to become a flame war because people are stubborn and want to insist on things not relating to the actual topic >,<

Konig Des Todes · Mar 23, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

lol are you kidding? vamp and zealous are the best things you could ever run on a 'sin. ._.

Quote from epic truth. The only thing that is bad about Shiro's weapons *both sword and daggers* is the higher req. but even that should not be a huge problem. I would love to see some zealous 15^50 +30 daggers with the shiro wep skin though. Or better yet, make Shiro's weapons golds instead of greens and blank when you get them! So you can mod them however you like *I would keep vamp because My destroyer weps are zealous

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Vilaptca · Mar 23, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

What would be the point?

Get a different pair of green daggers then. Greens are supposed to be easy to get items with max stats.

If you want a certain skin with the stats you want, then greens aren't really what you are looking for. There are a ton of greens with skins that I like but the stats aren't what I'm looking for. It'd be dumb to keep making multiple versions of them just so we can have other stats.

Limu Tolkki · Mar 23, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Why ppl make suggestions to change weapon stats to be better for their builds.

/notsigned

Nevin · Mar 23, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

I wonder why hardcore PvPer's assume their way of playing the game is also the best way to play PvE...

Its kind of funny considering its the opposite in most other MMO's, in most cases its PvE defines the PvP.

zwei2stein · Mar 23, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Nevin

I wonder why hardcore PvPer's assume their way of playing the game is also the best way to play PvE...

Its kind of funny considering its the opposite in most other MMO's, in most cases its PvE defines the PvP.

I am quite sure that in other MMOs PvP consits of groups concentrating fire on enemy tanks and when it blows up it proceeding to wipe oprosition at random

/facepalm.

People in other MMOS use same skill and items set as PvE because they do NOT have any alternative skill/itemsets, not becauce they kneel before wisdom of godly PvErs.

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Anyhow:

Shiros weapons have stats they have for reason:

* Get throught people skulls that REQ is pointless as long as weapon is max. (most badass weapon with ... req 15.)
* Make point that vamp is good.

MrGuildBoi · Mar 23, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

^shiros are req13..

Norn Daggers are about half the size of shiros

zwei2stein · Mar 23, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi

^shiros are req13..

Norn Daggers are about half the size of shiros

Yeah, anet lowered their req to fit with new minor-runes dogma, but they started as R15

Cloud5646 · Mar 23, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

You guys are being too harsh... the op is got a point.
Would you apply vamp mod to your coolest weapon? like when you are waiting for a battle to start on HA/GvG, or come out to an area on pve you won't be wielding a vamp weapon, otherwise, instead of ppl say "wow nice weapon there dude!", they will say: "take your f** vamp off".
Besides I prefer sundering over vamp for any kind of weapon.